Let’s take an average adult man with average game and estimate how much it costs him to get a notch. I am using very conservative estimates:
Average cost per date: $50
Number of dates until he hits: 4
So that is $200 for sex, which is all he wanted anyway unless he’s a beta. Do you know how much an escort will charge for one hour of sex? About $200. And I’m not even including the miscellaneous costs of getting laid, such as clothing, alcohol, gas, club cover charges, STD clinic visits, parking tickets, etc. And what does the girl have to put in? Nothing. She just has to take a break from watching television to get a free dinner, paid for by your hard work. What did she do to deserve that? The way I see it, a girl should bring a gift to every date: homemade cookies, a knitted sweater, a magazine subscription… I don’t care - SOMETHING. Something to show she is not a complete sponge. Women have decided to destroy traditional courtship by playing us and dating multiple guys, so I don’t understand why they still expect princess treatment.
I’m not quite ready to stop dating, but I know I’m too old to waste energy trying to get in a girl’s pants. If I meet a girl, and she’s serious about wanting me, then she should be unable to control herself. She has to want to go crazy and jump my bones from the first night we meet. I believe that if a girl can hold back having sex with you then she isn’t all that into you in the first place. You are just her source of attention and validation. If you are a little girl who is afraid of “looking like a slut,” then you are not for me: I want a girl who loves the cock. All the sexually timid girls can date a friend of mine who doesn’t mind taking a girl out seven times to finally get her in bed ($350) - to make her feel nice and fuzzy inside that she is so very different and special.
It’s not worth putting time and energy into a woman who can be terrible in bed. The reason why food companies give out free samples is because they want to hook you, they want to let you know that you are about to make a wise purchase. Some women don’t get this idea and want you to buy the store’s entire stock based on the box picture. Only an idiot would do that. Can you believe that there are men out there right now that are marrying women before having sex with them?
My new dating rule: You only get two dates. On the first date I will take you to a very nice place, give you the best of what my personality has to offer, and reward you with sex if you look good and stimulate me intellectually. If you decline the favor, that is fine, but the next date will be a little different. I will take you to a very cheap bar and show up unshaven in clothes I picked up off the floor. If you don’t somehow impress me or make it clear that you are a sexual monster, you are cut. I refuse to invest in someone of unproven value.
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what a crock. There is a very simple solution: make her pay for some dates. Cover the first one if you want, HAVE HER COVER THE SECOND. Repeat until someone’s made a decision. Then you are equally invested. You’re out nothing but time (and you can let the intangibles be clues for how everyone is trending). Yes the sexual revolution has put us here, yes the sexual revolution has given women the ability to play the field, wah wah wah men have it so bad now, I’m sick of your whining (and last time I checked you still got paid more, so give me a break about your “hard work”. Does your boss know about your blog?). The sexual revolution ALSO gave women THE RESPONSIBILITY to reject this ancient man-pays-all game–really reject it, not make a weak dive for the check. Am I the only woman on earth who feels this way? seems so much of the time. I CAN’T STAND the general insistence of men on paying–but if I truly fight against it they assume I’m not interested. Can’t I have a principle or two, why do they all think it’s about them? Sure it’s nice, hey free dinner, and if things are going somewhere the rules are different, but when you met an hour ago it’s got nothing to do with how you like each other and everything to do with stupid rules that don’t fit the modern era.
I pay for/split date #2 whenever humanly possible, and split #1 if he’ll let me. Men love it. They love finding someone who thinks for herself and doesn’t see them as an ATM, and then when I do let them pay with that context between us, they REALLY feel special. It’s hurt my chances not a bit, and it’s gotten plenty of guys their notches with me, cause if he lets it happen he’s clearly flexible and his ego is not proportional to the thickness of his wallet. All good indicators of a good ride, IME.
What a position you put women in here, DCB. I’ve never met you so maybe you’re not entirely serious, I can’t tell. A bit ago a poster here made the point that women have to love men to attract a good one–well it’s true for men too, you all have to love women, as women (which I note you don’t much think of your dates as: women, that is). Treat us like adults, with responsibilities to other adults (including financial ones), not as mooching girls, or it’s only mooching girls you’ll get. Well, maybe if all you want is a notch this isn’t necessary, but if that’s all you wanted this blog wouldn’t have rants like this cause you’d be paying escorts.
I like Jessa more and more. :banana:
anyway, DCB, I agree with the principle of what you’re saying in that I think it’s unfair that the standard is for the guy for pay for a buncha shit and the woman just has to take a break from oprah in order to grab a posh dinner with her blue-balled jockey of the night.
Not all guys just want to hit it and quit it though. If you are one of those guys (and you must be) then Amen! to this philosophy, but if you are one that is looking for more than just a cum dumpster, then I gotta say, more than one date would be in order.
Ya feel me?
i think it?s fair to split the check on the first date. in brasil, whoever invites the other person pays, but men usually cover the expense if they?re into the girl.
i was just talking to a girlfriend the other day about how it?s interesting that women provide sex when men provide the money for dates, which makes it a little bit like dating prostitution. i guess it?s a social norm–men look for youth and beauty, women look for money and power, right?
but dc, what are you really looking for–are you approaching it from the point of view where you just want sex, or are you really trying to get to know the girl?
i think that the best relationships come when sex isn?t the foundation. you need friendship, and a low-key girl who?s willing to pay sometimes.
You want a whore and complain when you get one. Insatiable…what is it that you really want? Oh wait… a cheaper whore. Whatever. I’m sure there are plenty of ladies who will suck you off for a few bucks if you wander into the right neighborhoods…
And I find it funny that you’re mad that women are playing the field when you’re doing the exact same thing to them. I mean, it’s not like you’re in some kind of exclusive relationship the first night out! Quit whining - you haven’t pledged your heart. You’re sounding like a chick that reads too many romance novels.
You could also man up and make it clear that you want things to be more even and go dutch. Make her pay for herself. There are plenty of good women who won’t mind. But then, they are probably above mere notch material.
“I refuse to invest in someone of unproven value.”
Word. The shit is too tiresome to go through. You are right in that both parties will know how far this will go from the get. What is unfortunate for you is that you will rarely find a chic who will just throw herself at you without expecting something in return. Mothers/fathers teach daughters to not give up the goodies without proper courting. I think you are asking for it all: young, naive, beautiful, intelligent, dating exhaustion, experienced. Perhaps you should focus on what is most important: ass. So go for what you know: 18-21 fairly easy; 22-27 caught up in old school courtship; 28-up will give it up because according to you, the least attractive age group and therefore ain’t gettn none. Good luck.
I still maintain that if you make the initial, albeit, sizeable investment up front, you can amortize your costs over a period. Eventually, dates give way to nights at home with a bottle of wine and the latest netflix. Can’t get much cheaper than that. Of course, the amount that you decrease overall cost will depend on the length of the term that you’re willing to endure with one investment. Neverthless, I find this economic analysis of dating a little fascinating. So very Milton Friedman-esque.
P.S., how direct have you been with these women?
If you are truly just after the notch, have you been upfront like: Hi, I’m DCB. I deal with facts and not emotions. Fact is I want to fuck you and hope you want to fuck me back without outrageous cost to me. Whaddaya say? So you get slapped, at least you know her value and therefore your time is not wasted.
You are totally right, man. As a woman who has been on dates with 7 men in the past 2 months, I can tell you my rules:
Date #1- I meet him for dinner. No matter how liberal he may claim his politics to be, I never give off the impression that I will be paying for the date or half of the date. By the end of the night (or you can argue 15 minutes into it) I know whether we will be sleeping together. EVER. If the answer is no, a second date may not be possible.
Date #2- Occurs either if: a) I liked him and we kissed on date #1 and i decided that we would indeed have sex, or b) he was persistant enough to convince me for date #2. If it’s a…he will be getting something by the end of the date, because, well, I haven’t gotten laid in a while, and I think he’s a hottie. If it’s b, then I act totally distant and pay for half of the check.
Look guys, if you made it to 2 and you feel like you’re at b, not a, then please save you money! Many girls are not like me, and they will milk you for as many free, no strings dinners as they can. Oh and they’re getting dinners from other guys too.
Have you considered groping on date 3?
Are you kidding me? Bottom line is this: If I like the guy, dinner from a hot dog stand and a night walking around DC will be a fantastic time. If I don’t like the guy, the most expensive meal in the world is not going to make me stop thinking about how I’d rather be home watching the OC during the entire painful date. What girl is going to waste her time with some loser just to get a free meal?
Very nice post. I agree w/ DCB in principle (though RCR brings up an interesting point) as I have always maintained that if you let a guy (or girl) pay for you on a date then it should be understood that ?something? will happen. If you accept date two ?something more? should also happen. It is terrible that girls let some poor guy buy all their shit knowing that they don?t like him even though they initiated that evening on such a pretense. It?s not a big deal if she?s not into the guy, just say it?s been a lot of fun, but I think we should just be friends and let?s split this (or vice versa if the chick is paying). Totally decent and reasonable.
But, I also share Mandy’s concern for DCB in that you may just be basing your future relationships on whether or not the girl will put out right away. Arguably, the best sex you’ll ever have with the “perfect” girl for could be a chick you have to wait three or even (gasp) four dates to hook up with. But if you?ve been financially burned enough that is probably something you?re willing to accept.
Perhaps you should spend your money on something you actually want to do and then invite a quality girl to come along. With that attitude, you’re destined to meet women with incredibly low self-esteem. Plenty of women enjoy the guy attached to the cock too, ya know.
Oh dear god.
I’m with Single in the City. I don’t date for free dinners, or even for “practice” anymore. I can pay for my own meals and I have better things to do with my time than entertain someone I’d never kiss, much less bang.
DCB, sometimes I think your momma was mean to you. Women are not as bad as you make them out to be.
DCB, if all you’re looking for is some action, then you entire approach is wrong.
Dates? That’s so 1956! Where you gonna go? The malt shop? The drive-in? Women these days who are into cock hang on Yahoo messenger (or other equally tawdry places) and will meet you without antiquated “dating.” It’s called hooking up — maybe you’ve hear of it.
I’ll take this one step further: The Internet has pushed the male-female dynamic out of the delicate social paradigm that took centuries to build. The Internet has now made it possible for men and women to connect without all the “dating” rituals we used to have to go thru. We’re back to our primal state. In fact, many young women now see men who shower them with dinners and such as weak and insecure.
Then there are the ones who want to hook up for extreme stuff like S&M. It’s an entire world out there beyond the Beltway. Go to it, friend!
Dating is the third oldest profession outside of Prostitution and Agriculture. I totally feel this post. Women don’t need men…they need a telethon and a dildo. I hate looking across that dinner table, role playing like this is gonna be some significant moment to build a relationship on, all the while knowing that I am nothing but a f**king sponser to her needs. Women have turned themselves into sexual arcades, just put in money until you reach the right value inorder to start playing. So much of my life has been spent putting just a quarter into a game that needed four quarters. I still want to sever my penis and urethra, maybe life would be so simpler.
Nice, troll army, you can’t even type your own URL into the little box without fucking it up. Fucking tard.
Mmmm Dating…Sex…Games…Dinner…Fun fun.
LMAO! Yes, preach DCB preach!
Most of these beta males are whore?financiers. They are in the business of sponsoring a whore?s social life.
I can understand the ?first date thing? but beyond that, dating should be reserved for chicks that fuck you! Plain and simple.
Its one thing to pay for sex…but a… PAYING for NO SEX!!! ROTFL!:laugh:
Paying whores who don?t fuck you! THAT?S CRAZY!
All American, beta males should fly to a few Latin American destinations for week, fuck 20 different 18-yr-old, tan, hard-bodied Latinas for 20 bucks a pop, then come back to the U.S. and see if you?re willing to drop hundreds of dollars on pudgy, American skanks with ADD. :fat: :laugh:
totally agree with single and the city.
Can’t you tell when a girl doesn’t like you and/or doesn’t want to sleep with you? It’s so obvious to a bystander! Don’t feed the whores!
Not related to DCB?s post, but to this last comment… as a Latin American girl, I find it so funny that, depending on the American guy I speak with, either he thinks Latinas are all whores who will put out even before you take them on a proper date, or ultra catholics that will remain virgin until marriage…
Keep running your mouth RCR. See what happens. Are you mad because we made you look like a tool?
You are still being too beta. I have learned through experience that if you don’t give a shit, they will. But before all you guys go out and try this, make sure you have some serious game. Otherwise, you can still control the situation, you just have to be much smarter than the women and that’s a tough one. These chicks have this shit down cold. For every number you get, they get 15, for every email or My Space message they get 30.
Any decent looking girl in this town has a larger rolodex of options than you, but make yourself stand out, be an aloof bastard and she will have you on speed dial and text you like crazy. This works with HOT (by DC standards) women too. They are so used to getting what they want that they go bonkers when you blow then off, it’s so gratifying to turn the tables on these women who would not even raise an eyebrow in any other town other than this Bitchville we call DC.
The funny thing is women WANT to pursue you, so just lay the foundation, ignore her and then you can lay her. Without having to spend a fortune on dinner, save that for your gym membership so you can build up your game.
I’d comment on this post, but I’m too depressed after reading the NYT article about older single women being artificially inseminated so they can have babies because they’ve never found the “right” man.
I’ve lost my faith in womankind at the tender age of 23.94
Troll Army, you couldn’t make a screwdriver look like tool.
Dirk Jiggler is right on. I’m not really sure where you’re getting your definition of “alpha male” from, but it’s pretty rompa-roomish. If you had your shit together, your seemingly epic quest of getting some trim would consist of the following:
meet for some coffee
send a couple text messages/give it a little time
It’s not rocket science. If all you’re interested in is the notch, which I suspect isn’t so, then it shouldn’t require more than that.
Single in the City’s right too. You can put on your best duds and take a chick to an expensive restaurant, but it doesn’t really matter if she’s just trying to get through the date so she can get home and check her match.com mailbox. You make it seem like going out on a date with you would be like watching a momma bird feeding its screaming, begging babies. “PRETTY PLEEEEEAAAAASE LEMME GET SUMMADAT CUT-UP”.
ps. If you’re not an asshole, don’t pretend to be one. That’s retarded.
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I have just the girl for you. True story, we had the conversation last week where I explained the date to mate process. She had it confused - much like you do, go on date means must mate. Not exactly right but…. Frankly, since your both fucked up you ought to date or mate, since those words are interchangeable for you two.
You only pay $50 on a date?
No wonder it takes you 4 dates to get laid…
I wasn?t insinuating anything about Latin-American girls. I was merely stating that for what it costs to take a fat American chick to McDonalds, you can purchase a superior piece of pussy in various Latin American locales.
Now, I have spent amble time in Colombia, Brasil, Santo Domingo, and PR, and have family in two of those countries, so, I think I can make some broad generalizations.
:hump: Latina Pussy > Domestic Pussy
CD, I agree with you in principle about Latin America, but I’ve lived in Puerto Rico, and they’re on the greasy-fries, Micky D’s diet just as much as we are, and the girls there tend to be even FATTER than their pasty-ass counterparts here on the mainland. That said, there are some gorgeous specimens on La Isla del Encanto, too. In general, the higher up on the socio-economic ladder you go, the better looking the women will be — but you gotta take the good with the bad. The better looking they are, the “fussier” they will be about who they’re gonna fuck… and with the whole Catholic ethos mixed in, some take playing hard-to-get to ludicrous extremes. Some of the PR upper-crust ladies can be even MORE persnickety and stuck-up than DC women. IF that were possible!
ha ha ha… yeah, you are right on the cost-benefit point of view. Broadly speaking, I think that girls from some Latin countries do look better than the American type, although we are not to be praised for the shitty nature of our currencies!
On the other hand, I really do not know whether we are sluttier or not, and I honestly do not care, but lately I have been thinking about the dichotomy in the way we are seen by American guys, and just voiced it out. I have heard both sides (whore/virgins)approx. the same amount of times, although those referring to the whore type had some stereotype in mind (specially Brazilians) while those thinking about virgins where speaking about other nationalities (Peruvians, Ecuadorians, etc.).
Personally, I was more of a nice girl and started being much sluttier (to the point of having sex on the first date… OMG!) after a couple of years in DC, where stupid games, fear of committment, multiple dating and no more dates if you don’t put out by the second one seem to be the rule. Dating-wise, I find that people here are so messed-up that sometimes I simply cannot wait to move out.
My previous comment was for CD, but Joe, you are totally right on the socio-economic and better looking factors that come into the ecuation. I particularly loved your phrase:
“and with the whole Catholic ethos mixed in, some take playing hard-to-get to ludicrous extremes” Yeah, with some Latin girls I know, forget about pussy if you have not been dating at least for months.
God it’s confusing when social interactions fail to follow a comfortable consumer model. Sexual frustration + cognative dissonance = 1 very DCB!
That’s why you should print out rebate coupons before the date. Ask the lady to pay half, but issue her a coupon for a full rebate if she goes to bed with you within 30 days. Just make sure to be a gentleman and issue the refund immediately upon consummation. Women may be crazy bitches, but they appreciate excellent customer service.
You sound like you want an easy whore, so just go and get yourself one. Why all the whining?
If you want a quality woman not a cheap tart without spending much $$$, then you need to be creative. Some women actually want to get to know you before they sleep with you. Women can get to know you anywhere. Why do you have to go out to dinner??? There are tons of women who would be happy to not do the formal stupid dinner date thing if you are a great guy who is imaginative and good to talk to (your makes you sound like you’re none of these but maybe you’re better than your rant implies). Be imaginative!
1. What about a simple picnic in a nice park or somewhere with a view (bread + cheese + strawberries = $10)? women love that stuff.
2. What about taking her out for just dessert to a place that has amazing chocolate cake? if you just get a coffee than thats $10-$15.
3. Don’t you have a place of your own? much cheaper to invite her over to watch a movie or for dinner, especially on the second date. You don’t even have to make the dinner - get take-out.
4. Don’t want to scare her off with movie/dinner at your place? invite her over to brunch at your place. Buy two croissants or bagels, some coffee, and a packet of pancake mix and make her pancakes. Or just skip the pancakes and have some fruit with the bagels and croissants.
5. Taking her out to Sunday brunch is cheaper than dinner, and most women I know say that brunch is their favorite meal to eat out.
6. Take her somewhere to watch the sunset. Don’t need to bring anything unless you think a bottle or wine would help.
You really need to get more imaginative. And quit whining!
When Latina pussy becomes domesticated, it truly is a sad day. :sad2: Don?t let it happen to you.
These dirty, American, femnazi, warpigs pollute all the beautiful pussy that migrates here from Latin America, Eastern Europe, and parts of Asia.
It?s really an evolutionary tactic. The diseased American pussy must infect the foreign pussy because if not, it would soon die out due to natural selection.
Bottom line. American chicks are a life-crippling cancer. :puke:
Quitwhining –You must be female!
It?s not just the money; it?s also the TIME and HOOP JUMPING that?s expected.
And that material you suggested is Ri-fucking-diclous unless you are either already banging the chick or you?re on a bad episode of Elimidate. :gay:
I say, call that little hot piece of ass and tell her to tag-a-long while you shop for shoes. That is our 2nd date and her chance to demonstrate sexual value. :eviler:
That ultra hot chick is THE ENEMY!
Beta males want to covert enemies into friends and fuck them.
The Alpha just fucks all the fine enemies.
cock diesel… glad you’re back
Sounds like some women have really hurt you. The thing is that you can’t take your bruised ego out on all women unless you want to be sad and lonely forever.
Don’t worry — man up and be a good man and you will get a good lady in return.
“In a garden full of weeds you are an oak tree.”
Sometimes I think most girls don’t even wanna get laid. With each passing generation they are losing their sexuality.
CD, I don’t know where it started, but way too many of both - females and males - in the DC area are polluted . Not sure which of the sexes is to blame really, but it’s like some kind of strong bitchiness/assholeness STD that spreads quickly … I got kind of infected after some years here, but don’t worry, I am leaving to Europe in a couple of months and I am sure I’ll find a strong antidote there.
…….hmmm…counting how many times the word “pussy” and “cock” are mentioned in this thread…..result = I rate this NC-17
Cut down those first date costs by stealing her a cup of Starbucks.
What about the hot Cuban woman? Her pussy, she tastes like the codfish.
Yeah, I thought $50 was a bit inexpensive. Most surprising thing about crunchy northwestern girls: the dates are more expensive than when I lived in DC. Go figure.
OK, let me get this straight: Women are consumable objects to you. Basically, you are buying flesh like any John in Las Vegas. The only women who will date you, then, are women who buy into the flesh-for-cash model. The ones with self-esteem will naturally set their value on “HIGH.”
Can you blame women for it? Oh, wait, you DO blame them, for having the best self esteem they can muster up in a demoralizing situation where they are treated as consumable/disposable. To this I can only say: “F*ck you!”
I suppose then, if you treated women like vending machine snacks and succeeded in purchasing the flesh this way, you’d just call them cheap whores. In any case, it’s still women’s fault. Niiiiice.
I have a news flash for you. With old fashioned dating, women DID date multiple men until the marriage proposal. This is the very definition of “dating.” You don’t rate a woman’s exclusive attention until you 1) BUY it following the woman-as-consumable-object model, or 2) DESERVE it.
Unfortunately, in my (admittedly short, as I spent much of my adult life married) dating career, I’ve found men are so F*CKING LAZY that they prefer to buy the flesh rather than do what it takes to be truly deserving of a woman’s exclusive attentions. And that’s just SAD.
Nobody has mentioned that perhaps the risk of getting an STD or getting pregnant is worth more to a woman than one $50 date, if you want to break it down to a simple cost analysis scenario. Yes, you can still get an STD if using a condom, and you can still get pregnant on birth control. And PS, MEN: birth control costs approximately $20 a month, soooo expect to invest at least that much money in a date. I’m thanking God for the millionth time that I am getting away from all you assholes in D.C.
… someone must have had their period today..
Its simple economics.
The current dating situation in America is comparable to auto-manufacturing in the 80?s. The Japanese auto-makers came along and made a superior product for a much lower price and with it, took a sizable chunk of the market share in their industry.
The average American warpig has priced her pussy outside what the current market will bare.
Men are investing time and money. Why would a guy risk pussy futures on such an unstable investment as American pussy?!?!?
Currently, Latin American pussy and Eastern European pussy is where the smart money is at. My associates and I find that it yields the highest returns; therefore it?s the stronger investment. :thumbup:
my first few dates don’t cost much more than $10 a pop. so I’m not complaining about wasting my money away on girls who aren’t interested because I get the hint sooner than later and stop dating them and saved my money.
and by the way, I thought there are more girls in DC than there are guys. the ratio is tilted towards females… something like 52% female, 48% male…
“Diesel,” your analogy makes sense only if “woman” is equivalent to “car.” Meaning, something you procure, drive around until you get bored with it, then trade it in for a younger model. GAH. No wonder you can’t get laid in D.C. except by women who wear clear heels and charge cash.
Face it: You have to leave the country because women who have OPTIONS would rather stay at home with their vibrators than fuck you. You can’t get laid here because you are an inferior male specimen. So, like the other inferior male specimens you fly off to some other country where the pussy is poor and desperate. Then, you exploit it. Niiiiiice.
Sometimes I think my belief in Karma is the only thing that gets me to sleep at night.
lol ? typical American warpig response. :fat:
I travel abroad because some of my family resides there and I don?t live in DC, I live in Atlanta (but moving to Miami soon).
BTW, I have never paid any chick, foreign or domestic, for sex (at least not directly); however, I see nothing wrong with it.
As far as ?getting laid? stateside, what a joke. Part of my day is dedicated to devising alternate routes through my office corridors to avoid the non-stop bombardment of attention-seeking American chicks.
You?re right, about one thing though. American chicks DO have plenty of ?OPTIONS?, if they are age 18 to 27, skinny, and hot.
Their shelf life is soooooo short though, after that, your options disappear quickly. :laugh:
I guy?s lifecycle is different. I am attractive, financially successful, never-married, with no kids, and in my late twenties. I am now the hunted, instead of the hunter.
It?s a total roll reversal. I literally have to fight off chicks now at the office like a hot 21-yr-old female fights off drunken dudes at a nightclub.
I visit my married friends with their American wives and all of them seem to suffer from broken spirits because now, their once hot girlfriend turned into their fat wife, who no longer gives BJs and rations out sex to them. Hahahahaha!
That?s what you get when you sign a legally, life-binding contract with an American woman.
Then there?s me, with one of my fresh-off-the-boat, ridiculously hot Latinas, with their sexy clothes, and cute broken English, who sucks and fucks ON DEMAND with PASSION! :hump:
If she becomes Americanized, I just trade her in for the new model.
I know, I know, but am I happy? *grinnin? ear-to-ear, baby!*
CD and hedonist,
While CD has essentially gone off the deep end with his cynical misogyny, he is essentially right. If there’s anything that gives me the creeps it’s some ultra-literate reactionary politically correct hyper-feminist cretin “gourmand” who throws up barfy websites about “hedonism”…. yeah, hedonism is okay for you, hedonist, but god forbid an American MALE should display any signs of hedonism! He gets the Abu Ghraib treatment. Hedonist, from your hyper-literate posts are obviously a public relations BITCH in the DC area who just tuned into this website to kvetch and rag on men, and use it as an outlet for your bitter misanthropy. I consider myself a CITIZEN OF THE WORLD and will go wherever the women are game. If it happens to be some 3rd world country in Latin America, or some country in Eastern Europe, then I’m all for it!! Where do I line up for the pussy? I’ve traveled extensively in both areas and I will say categorically that the women in those regions beat American BITCHES like you hands down, in terms of personality, femininity, true intelligence, and NOT being fuckin’ selfish ho’s! Aiight?!
Who said anything against hedonism? Hedonism is great whether you are male or female. It’s treating other human beings as consumable and disposable objects that’s shitty.
You’re talking about HUMAN BEINGS here. If you call treating women as human beings “politically correct feminist bullshit,” you are one SAD fuck.
You presume too much, except for the part about my being a bitch! To which I respond: Better a bitch than a dumb bitch. I can well afford not to please.
What a dumb bitch…
You speak as if somehow I mistreat women.
I never lie-to, yell-at, or mistreat females. I might reject a chick?s advances or I might eject a chick for bad behavior. But that?s my right.
I mean, if you acquire a laptop and it stops functioning properly, shouldn?t you be able to trade it in for one that works?
Spinster errrrrrr hedonist, you are damaged goods.
I rebuke thee American, femnazi, warpig and damn you to a lifetime of collecting cats, devouring massive amounts of chocolate, and reading trashy romance novels before you quietly cry yourself to sleep.
I never SAID you mistreated women. My original comments were to “DC Bachelor” and Mr. Diesel.
TO YOU I said that IF you think treating women as human beings is “politically correct feminist bullshit” . . . etc. etc. You might consider taking my response to you under advisement instead of taking my comments to DC and Diesel so personally.
(That said, “not mistreating” women does not equate to treating them as human beings. I don’t mistreat my pets, but it doesn’t mean I treat them as human.)
Since I spent 10 years as a married woman, spawned in accordance with societal expectations, left on my own terms and now enjoy more male attention than I know what to DO with, I’m afraid I shall never be a spinster, so, sorry! Gay divorcee is more like it. Actually, the books-cats-and-chocolate scenario sounds mighty, well, HEDONISTIC! May I change the trashy novel to Brian Greene’s Fabric of the Cosmos and add a snifter of Grand Marnier to perfect the scene? If you were trying to offend me, I’m afraid you’ll need to try harder.
oh, my goodness Diesel, that WAS you. Well, nevermind. The rest of my commentary stants.
I am an average guy, and I noticed the following comment.
“Bottom line is this: If I like the guy, dinner from a hot dog stand and a night walking around DC will be a fantastic time. If I don.t like the guy, the most expensive meal in the world is not going to make me stop thinking about how I.d rather be home watching the OC during the entire painful date.”
Who really goes on formal dates at the start anymore? That type of formality is ackward with a stranger - save it for later, way after sex. Who wants to waste precious minutes of their lives trapped in some formal meeting with a dud? Not me. Not any woman. I prefer to keep it informal, to just hang out. “If I don.t like the guy, the most expensive meal in the world is not going to make me stop thinking about how I.d rather be home watching the OC during the entire painful date.”
Women want sex, so you just have to get them to want to have that sex with you. Do you really think making that happen has anything to do with paying for some formal date? (Ok, I can’t help it - “Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? Do you think that’s air you’re breathing now?”) No, it just means you spent your hard earned money and she is off having sex with somebody else. Its the interaction that will make her want to have that sex with you. “If I like the guy, dinner from a hot dog stand and a night walking around DC will be a fantastic time.”
So, $200? Listen to the woman, just say no. Then listen to me, informal and $0.
Yes, I am sure you receive PLENTY of male attention, if you go girl-on-girl. Good luck dating American women though, you?ll probably be back here next year talking about, ?American chicks suck?. Hahaha!
Whoa, I was scary accurate with my cat-chocolate-book assessment.
Anyhow, I certainly wasn?t trying to offend, just educate and entertain.
?Respect the cock? ? TJ Mackey
Look, you can’t have it all. I think you need to assess what your priorities are and build your strategy around them. If you are dating strictly for the sex, go to frat parties or dive bars. The atmosphere may not be ideal, but you can quickly scoop up a slutty girl and leave without spending much or any money.
If you’re in the market for a classy girl you want to get to know a little, you’re going to have to invest more time (but not necessarily more money). Girls won’t put out by the second date unless they’re sleazy, easy, or desperate. A classy girl is more of a challenge, but also more rewarding. You’re probably missing out on a lot of great women by ditching them after two sexless dates.
It’s still unusual for women to pay for all or even half of a date, so most won’t offer or expect to pay. But that doesn’t mean they’re trying to mooch off you. Unless they’re very poor and need the food, few women would sit through dinner after dinner with someone they didn’t like just to get free meals. You need to learn how to differentiate between a woman who is taking advantage of you and one who genuinely enjoys your company. Women are subtle creatures, so it may be hard to tell right away, but don’t use their willingness to have sex as a gauge.
A good date doesn’t need to involve fancy restaurants and expensive drinks, either. A restaurant is a constricting atmosphere anyway, what with the expanse of table and plates of food separating both people. You can take her to museums (many are free around here) and then out to a nice place for coffee and pastry. You’ll spend maybe $10, and she’ll have had an enjoyable and memorable several hours with you.
If you do need to take her out to dinner, find a clean and cozy ethnic restaurant that serves big platters of food you can share. You’ll appear casual and cultured rather than pretentious and trendy, the vibe between you two will be warmer, and it probably will cost less. Or a cheaper alternative to taking her out to eat is to invite her over for a dinner you cook yourself. This gesture is more intimate, genuine, and cheaper. Plus you won’t have to lure her back to your place at the end of the night because she’ll already be there!
See the Forbes article below:
The two well-respected economists created a minor stir in academic circles a few years back when they published “A Theory of Prostitution” in the Journal of Political Economy. The paper was remarkable not only for being accepted by a major journal but also because it considered wives and whores as economic “goods” that can be substituted for each other. Men buy, women sell.
May I change the snifter of Grand Marnier to a pipeful of crack for you? Because that’s your obvious preference!
Listen, I don’t live in DC, but I’m here frequently on business and apparently there’s a lot of fucking going on here, and I’ll betcha little or no money is spent on it most of the time. A few of the men weighing in here showed how it’s done properly: By spending time and energy on a woman to get to know her better as a human being. Lots of regular guys are getting it for a small initial financial investment; the rest is pure physical, mental and emotional energy - - - which is what women REALLY want anyway!
I don’t expect a man to spend a lot of money on me unless he HAS a lot of money, in which case money is already a gage of how interested he is, but that’s all HIS mindset, I’m just playing the game with him in accordance with HIS rules (FWIW there are a few millionaires - including one billionaire - in my past and/or present).
Money is energy, but it has to be put in the proper perspective: Decent women don’t expect poor or moderate-income-earning guys to lay out a lot of cash for them. The energy a man puts into a relationship is what really matters.
Bottom line: We have the choice to fuck guys who care about or ones that don’t; so who do you think we’re going to pick? This is not rocket science!
(And Diesel, “Respect the Cock?” You’re kidding, right? :rolleyes: And though I’m not one, someone here please tell me what’s wrong with being a lesbian? Seems your porn is rife with it! Come on guys, either you like it or you don’t!)
I really just see DCB?s initial post as an evolution in efficiency.
That?s his point, most of ?traditional dating? is counter-productive, approval-seeking, supplicating behavior for a guy.
BTW, I haven?t seen ANY negative comments about lesbians, so, I have no idea WTF you?re talking about.
Wow ? dating a billionaire…(put the book down)
Spinsters without medication = delusional :crazy:
?Respect the cock?
Diesel, I was referencing your girl-on-girl comment.
One more thing: Women also “date internationally.” The roughly 50/50 male-female split worldwide generally puts the kabosh on ANY supply-demand theory that tries to explain bachelorhood or spinsterhood in terms of being unable to FIND a mate. It really comes down to one’s ability to ATTRACT a mate.
(PS: Believe it or not, the billionaire was actually quite good in bed! It was an “international” thing though, ALAS.)
No, I am definitely PRO girl-on-girl and in no way was I attempting to associate anything negative to such a beautiful practice.
I am most certainly for equality of sexes and everyone?s pursuit of happiness.
Oh yes, American females indeed go international.
I was down at Punta Cana in the Dominican Republic and the resort was overran with obese, pastey, American and Canadian water buffalo breathing heavy and grazing too-and-fro. :fat:
Apparently, these wildebeests think the resort workers are their ?boyfriends?. The local term is ?sankie?; however, in the U.S. I think they are referred to as gigolos.
I was talking with one of the resort workers named Armando and he said, some of the guys make up to 75K/year USD because their American/Canadian ?girlfriends? (10 to 15 of them ) send them money on a monthly basis (Western Union).
(P.S. ? Rubbing one out while you watch?The Apprentice?, doesn?t mean you?re fucking a billionaire):laugh:
(PSS — Respect the cock):eviler:
Here I am trying to find a loving relationship and you’re speaking of my favorite half of the population as if it was an eBay auction referral.
Thanks for giving my gender a bad name.
“I don?t understand why they still expect princess treatment.”
I have NEVER wanted to be treated like a princess, I find it sickening that SOME women expect men to spend loads of money on them for no good reason at all, or because they’re “princesses” and “deserve it.” F THAT. Stop dating these bitches who think like that, they are really easy to pick out, by the way. They have materialism written all over them, in their little pink North Face fleeces appropriately matched with Tiffany bracelets and pearl earrings.
The point is you have it all wrong. You need to spend time and not money with women if you want to have a romantic & sex-filled (goooood sex) relationship with them. I would never consider having sex with someone who I didn’t have strong feelings for. You think after 1 or 2 dates someone is going to have strong feelings for you and vice versa? You think amazing sex comes after one “intimate” dinner date? NO, it comes from having intense feelins and emotion and from wanting the other person so bad because you’re probably in love with them. After that first encounter, you’ll find yourself in a situation where you could be getting laid 3 times a day by someone you actually like/love.
CD you’ve hit the nail on the head. The biggest problem with American girls now-a-days is things that were normally appreciated are now expected.
As for travelling internationally, here’s my theory: overseas, American guys are one of the best catches for a foreign girl. American girls overseas, however, are the worst catches. What attention they do get, they quickly realize they don’t want it.
just came across this, f’n hilarious. Some of the responses just as good as the blog. Whoever said stick with the young hos is right. Esp. college girls, some kind of “hook up” is expected whenever they go out. Just bang until you get tired of it, then move on. Initial wooing consists of replenishing her drinks, meaning there isn’t much wooing. Women are just as guilty as men w/ all this dating game bullshit. We need more men like DCB who aren’t afraid to fuck over / play a woman, 3/4 of them deserve it.
It’s fascinating to see how the ‘other side’ lives and views negotiating intimacy…
Sometimes, it’s just about sex.
Usually not: The vast majority of Americans are monogamous and happy about it, expressing satisfaction with their sex lives and a broad preference for emotional commitment in sexual relationships. Most by far prefer marriage to the single life.
If women are from Venus, men are ? well ? men. I’d say about 70-80% of men think about sex every day ? double the rate among women.
Women, though, are equally likely to express satisfaction with their sex lives.
Hence, the need for girls like me;)
Aren’t we all though, just looking for love?..:)
There’s a book called Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. In it is a chapter called “The Mystery of Sex Transmutation.” I think you’d dig it.
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Did you ever think that some people don’t give their best performance the first go around? You’re with a stranger, you’re nervous, you’re not sure what they are into. I believe the sex gets better as you get to know each other better. You have time to get in tune with each other’s rhythms. You can get more and more adventurous. You are really missing out if you only have sex with someone once. Seriously.
Not all women want babies and marriage. This is coming from a woman over 30, who does NOT hear any such thing as a biological clock and has absolutely no desire to ever bring a baby into this world. It goes against my ethics.
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